All your political rants/bitching/moaning can go here as well as if you feel the need to have a debate on the subject.

If you are to have political conversations it will not be putting down other members.
You voice your opinion and back up your points.
If no one can handle that then perhaps you should not post at all.
And have fun!!!!

Endless thank you, I loled when I saw this. So in return,

"ignorant masses brainwashed by the media and the people surrounding you."

media? You honestly think I have time to sit around and watch T.V. like you do? Thanks for flattering me though I am not you. I get my facts from what i learn myself. YES I WILL ADMIT, I have a 'republican' influence but thats is the only 'influence' which I take....
I look up all of my own facts and involve myself. For those surrounding me....please do not forget that I live in an 86% democratic state so what "surroundings" do you refer to?
I think that personaly, the level of qualifications for each canidate are not even a fair match its a congress member of alost 20 years, a 7 year war veteran and a very wise man, up against an aragant crimianl justice major. Call me young, call me stupid, but the facts are the facts and well. . . . . . like it or not, there is once again a reason the democratic 'animal' is an @$$

All I know is that I will be very upset if I can no longer receive birth control and we have more religious zealots leading the country. Not my idea of a good time.

Alot of political debate problems begin and end with the premise that the person doing the arguing is absolutly 100 % correct.
As adults I do hope we can avoid the inherant nastiness which has invaded the political climate in todays world.
Please everyone be nice or I will use my mod stick and go all modevil on you.

^^Yep, agreed! I just know what I am afraid of, I would love to be proved otherwise!

lol Agreed these were all of just my opinions. Im not saying that religion needs to take over the country cause God himself knows that would be a mess... but PERSONALY I think that value does need to be reinstalled in this world. There are way to many people (mostly teens) running around getting abortions left and right, doing what ever drug they please, and basically roaming free to do as they please for their entertainment. This is how people get in trouble and some cases . . . this is how lives are lost.

First off, seperation of church and state should be much stricter than it is. There's no room for religion in politics; it's oxymoronic.

Secondly, it should be a woman's right to decide if they get an abortion or not... it should not be illegal, should not only be for "victims" of whatever crimes. It'd be better for the child, the mother/parent, and their families to get an abortion opposed to another young, clueless kid raising a baby causing long term physical, mental, and emotional health issues for the unexpected/clueless parent and the child who is forced to endure improper care.
Should it be regulated more than it is? I believe so.
I also feel that more emphasis on alternatives to abortion should be made more public aware more frequently than it is.

Drug use will not be improved by having McCain or any Republican in the White House. Just because a candidate may have experimented with drugs in their past, doesn't mean they're going to be more lax on all illegal drugs. Medical Marijuana is a legit medical treatment backed up with tons of research by professional doctors and scientists, while the movement to legalize it's medical purposes are founded by highly educated individuals, patients being treated with it, and those who know patients & support/care for such patients.
The more legal something such as this becomes, the more regulated, the less need for drug dealers, illegal activities, and helps to eliminate the dangers of dealing with actual drug dealers. Not to mention, in many cases medical marijuana has been the only working treatment in some patients.

Taking away rights from women while supporting the current drug situation... a system in which people continue to use drugs, it gets unregulated, and is more dangerous... in which drug dealers get some of the strictest sentences (death for being a drug lord while murderers, sex offenders, etc. get "good behavior" "early release" "etc"?)

You say change isn't always good but change is a hell of a lot better than the current system some people are so keen on keeping. Archaic, crude, and a hindrance to any form of progress.

Oh, yeah, some sort of values should be had, for sure. Unfortunately, sets of values are so personal, there's no way one person (or a small percentage of people) could decide what a person's values should be. I agree, it doesn't seem like teens running around getting knocked up is a very good value. But you know, that's why we try to press sex education. In recent years, teen preggers have actually been declining (not including those crazy girls in Mass!).
I just think it would be ludicrous to say that I cannot receive birth control because of other people's irresponsibility. I'm a married woman and don't want to contribute to the overpopulation of the world. I'm super-frightened about losing my right to plan my own family.

And hear hear, Lex! You always know how to stand up for a woman's rights!

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Secondly, it should be a woman's right to decide if they get an abortion or not... it should not be illegal, should not only be for "victims" of whatever crimes. It'd be better for the child, the mother/parent, and their families to get an abortion opposed to another young, clueless kid raising a baby causing long term physical, mental, and emotional health issues for the unexpected/clueless parent and the child who is forced to endure improper care.
Should it be regulated more than it is? I believe so.
I also feel that more emphasis on alternatives to abortion should be made more public aware more frequently than it is.

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So true!!!!

I totally agree with that statement - sometimes a woman just cannot have a baby for whatever reason. I'm sure it's not a light move to make and I'm sure that it would haunt the woman for the rest of her life but at the end of the day it's her body and her decision and who the Hell can say that they are going to make that decision for her

[quote="3HoursOfConversation"]Endless thank you, I loled when I saw this. So in return,

"ignorant masses brainwashed by the media and the people surrounding you."

media? You honestly think I have time to sit around and watch T.V. like you do? Thanks for flattering me though I am not you. I get my facts from what i learn myself. YES I WILL ADMIT, I have a 'republican' influence but thats is the only 'influence' which I take....
I look up all of my own facts and involve myself. For those surrounding me....please do not forget that I live in an 86% democratic state so what "surroundings" do you refer to?
I think that personaly, the level of qualifications for each canidate are not even a fair match its a congress member of alost 20 years, a 7 year war veteran and a very wise man, up against an aragant crimianl justice major. Call me young, call me stupid, but the facts are the facts and well. . . . . .

You know in this quote I edited this statement for one reason,I am a democrat,I don't appriceate having the mascott that represensts my political affilitaion called an a$$.I'm pretty sure that I left your earlier statement intact in the post you made though.

As stated before, this is an opinion topic, however there is no point in arguing with a close minded person. Women can make choices, but how is it fair for a person who cant even make a well educated choice for them selves, make one for a helpless child. 'IN MY PERSONAL OPINION' If a woman OR MALE is that nonresponsable for their actions, then THEY NEED THAT KID TO TEACH IT TO THEM cause GOD knows they won't learn any other way! As far as making choices. Some of "US/YOU" adults can't even make your own well informed choices for your self so how can you not only waste your own life but the life of a helpless infant? ARE YOU THAT HEARTLESS (once again please keep in mind this is not directed at anyone individualy)

However on the topic of other things, there ARE reasons some things are not made legal.
You want to sit there and tell me that drugs are ok? That abusing them is fine?
I WATCHED MY GRANDPA OF AGE 64 GET STABBED AND RUSHED TO THE HOSPITAL OVER A SOUR DEAL. HOW ABOUT MY UNCLE WHO I WATCHED DIE INFRONT OF ME BY FOUR BULLETS BECAUSE OF COKE? Any one who thinks its not a big deal.......look me in the eyes.............say it to my face, mean it and I WILL PERSONALY (yes i said personaly) show you where they are now. Ask them, ASK THEIR HOMELESS FAMILIES HOW HARMLESS IT IS! Medical drugs are not the issue Im talking about the abusers of 'mary-j' coke, meth, x..... the low lives who need these things to 'complete them and make them happy' THANK GOD BOTH REPUBS AND DEMS SEE EYE TO EYE ON MOST OF THIS ISSUE!

I now see the above message sounds more angry than intended....sorry bout that. just opinions

All I have to say is, politics is a big tangled mess with a lot of gray areas. What's right for you may not be right for someone else, so neither is absolutely right or wrong. There is also a lot of information out there that nobody can know for sure is correct, so someone may be shaping their opinions on false information, so arguing those points seems kind of futile.

That being said, I'm still voting for Obama.

You know, I just realized something... you are right, it's pointless to argue about our beliefs. We're obviously pretty set in our ways which isn't uncommon for people of any age... it's just a result of politics & religious discussion. There will always be opposing sides.
That said, I still see a purpose in arguing... while it may not change many of our minds as a whole, it may spread insight to others who are lesser politically active and knowledgeable and... hopefully, help to find some middle ground.

Most days I'm a "damn Liberal" but there's days when I take a more Centrist view... point of view who can see both sides of an argument. Unfortunately, on these issues, I do not take that perspective.

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And (B) No one said drug ABUSING was harmless, there is a diffrence between responcible usage and abuse just as there is with alchohol.

Exactly... exactly. The key to a happy life is moderation... in everything. Abuse of all kinds is a bad, harmful, damaging thing to oneself and the people who care about them.

Ok I agree in somewhat of a manner, but in all due respect, Bush is not the best of humans we can all side on this however please do come to realize that the democrats have been in power of congress for the past two years so the 'terrible things done under the Bush administration' were VOTED AND PASS by the democrats.

However I can see your point and I respect you and your opinion
I would just like to pose a question. Obama is always preaching 'fairness' which is fine and all but answer me this? Is it really fair that those who ACTUALLY WORK for their hard earned money to make their families stronger and live better lives pay these highER taxes? Or is it fair to let the those who live on well fair and sit on their a$$ all day doing jack #@%@ pay less? what does this make us, a Nation of slackers? NOW I AM NOT SAYING THAT YOU DONT WORK FOR YOUR MONEY? I mean that the CEO's of companies or those who have higher positions in the work industry vs. the burger flipping joe at BK, who should get the tax cuts? those that worked their a$$ off to get them where they are today or those who slacked off their intire lives and had everything handed to them? I know your a student and can barley pay for the tuition but put your self 10 years in the futre when you are the manager of a nice company and getting taxes up to your neck because you have money (which you worked hard for) how do you feel now, after all of your hard work and effort in school, life and prior jobs?

Ok, first of all, my mother was on welfare. She's a single mom and she couldn't find work and her back was screwed up at the time. Are you calling single mothers lazy? That's far from the truth. Most people on welfare are trying to get their lives together and most are far from lazy. it's even proven in statistics. I know because i'm a journalist and I read about these things all the time and do the research.

Second of all, i'm a humanitarian. I'm not going to keep all of my money if I do become wealthy. I donate, as poor as I am. I rarely see the wealthy giving back. So they can give back in taxes. That's the way I feel. I would be gladly to pay more in taxes if I had that kind of money.

...I am sorry I didnt know I had to specify, I thought i said those who 'sit on their a$$ all day and do nothing getting wellfair, I respect those who try to get their lives in order and that is more that amazing so power to your mother! However those that take advantage of the system.......are the ones whcih should be given no breaks at all because they do nothing to deserve it.