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    PostSubject: Is the world going to end in 2012 or is a a pop culture lure for fake doomsday dates   Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:25 pm

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091011/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_mexico_apocalypse2012

    MEXICO CITY – Apolinario Chile Pixtun is tired of being bombarded with frantic questions about the Mayan calendar supposedly "running out" on Dec. 21, 2012. After all, it's not the end of the world.

    Or is it?

    Definitely not, the Mayan Indian elder insists. "I came back from England last year and, man, they had me fed up with this stuff."

    It can only get worse for him. Next month Hollywood's "2012" opens in cinemas, featuring earthquakes, meteor showers and a tsunami dumping an aircraft carrier on the White House.

    At Cornell University, Ann Martin, who runs the "Curious? Ask an Astronomer" Web site, says people are scared.

    "It's too bad that we're getting e-mails from fourth-graders who are saying that they're too young to die," Martin said. "We had a mother of two young children who was afraid she wouldn't live to see them grow up."

    Chile Pixtun, a Guatemalan, says the doomsday theories spring from Western, not Mayan ideas.

    A significant time period for the Mayas does end on the date, and enthusiasts have found a series of astronomical alignments they say coincide in 2012, including one that happens roughly only once every 25,800 years.

    But most archaeologists, astronomers and Maya say the only thing likely to hit Earth is a meteor shower of New Age philosophy, pop astronomy, Internet doomsday rumors and TV specials such as one on the History Channel which mixes "predictions" from Nostradamus and the Mayas and asks: "Is 2012 the year the cosmic clock finally winds down to zero days, zero hope?"

    It may sound all too much like other doomsday scenarios of recent decades — the 1987 Harmonic Convergence, the Jupiter Effect or "Planet X." But this one has some grains of archaeological basis.

    One of them is Monument Six.

    Found at an obscure ruin in southern Mexico during highway construction in the 1960s, the stone tablet almost didn't survive; the site was largely paved over and parts of the tablet were looted.

    It's unique in that the remaining parts contain the equivalent of the date 2012. The inscription describes something that is supposed to occur in 2012 involving Bolon Yokte, a mysterious Mayan god associated with both war and creation.

    However — shades of Indiana Jones — erosion and a crack in the stone make the end of the passage almost illegible.

    Archaeologist Guillermo Bernal of Mexico's National Autonomous University interprets the last eroded glyphs as maybe saying, "He will descend from the sky."

    Spooky, perhaps, but Bernal notes there are other inscriptions at Mayan sites for dates far beyond 2012 — including one that roughly translates into the year 4772.

    And anyway, Mayas in the drought-stricken Yucatan peninsula have bigger worries than 2012.

    "If I went to some Mayan-speaking communities and asked people what is going to happen in 2012, they wouldn't have any idea," said Jose Huchim, a Yucatan Mayan archaeologist. "That the world is going to end? They wouldn't believe you. We have real concerns these days, like rain."

    The Mayan civilization, which reached its height from 300 A.D. to 900 A.D., had a talent for astronomy

    Its Long Count calendar begins in 3,114 B.C., marking time in roughly 394-year periods known as Baktuns. Thirteen was a significant, sacred number for the Mayas, and the 13th Baktun ends around Dec. 21, 2012.

    "It's a special anniversary of creation," said David Stuart, a specialist in Mayan epigraphy at the University of Texas at Austin. "The Maya never said the world is going to end, they never said anything bad would happen necessarily, they're just recording this future anniversary on Monument Six."

    Bernal suggests that apocalypse is "a very Western, Christian" concept projected onto the Maya, perhaps because Western myths are "exhausted."

    If it were all mythology, perhaps it could be written off.

    But some say the Maya knew another secret: the Earth's axis wobbles, slightly changing the alignment of the stars every year. Once every 25,800 years, the sun lines up with the center of our Milky Way galaxy on a winter solstice, the sun's lowest point in the horizon.

    That will happen on Dec. 21, 2012, when the sun appears to rise in the same spot where the bright center of galaxy sets.

    Another spooky coincidence?

    "The question I would ask these guys is, so what?" says Phil Plait, an astronomer who runs the "Bad Astronomy" blog. He says the alignment doesn't fall precisely in 2012, and distant stars exert no force that could harm Earth.

    "They're really super-duper trying to find anything astronomical they can to fit that date of 2012," Plait said.

    But author John Major Jenkins says his two-decade study of Mayan ruins indicate the Maya were aware of the alignment and attached great importance to it.

    "If we want to honor and respect how the Maya think about this, then we would say that the Maya viewed 2012, as all cycle endings, as a time of transformation and renewal," said Jenkins.

    As the Internet gained popularity in the 1990s, so did word of the "fateful" date, and some began worrying about 2012 disasters the Mayas never dreamed of.

    Author Lawrence Joseph says a peak in explosive storms on the surface of the sun could knock out North America's power grid for years, triggering food shortages, water scarcity — a collapse of civilization. Solar peaks occur about every 11 years, but Joseph says there's evidence the 2012 peak could be "a lulu."

    While pressing governments to install protection for power grids, Joseph counsels readers not to "use 2012 as an excuse to not live in a healthy, responsible fashion. I mean, don't let the credit cards go up."

    Another History Channel program titled "Decoding the Past: Doomsday 2012: End of Days" says a galactic alignment or magnetic disturbances could somehow trigger a "pole shift."

    "The entire mantle of the earth would shift in a matter of days, perhaps hours, changing the position of the north and south poles, causing worldwide disaster," a narrator proclaims. "Earthquakes would rock every continent, massive tsunamis would inundate coastal cities. It would be the ultimate planetary catastrophe."

    The idea apparently originates with a 19th century Frenchman, Charles Etienne Brasseur de Bourbourg, a priest-turned-archaeologist who got it from his study of ancient Mayan and Aztec texts.

    Scientists say that, at best, the poles might change location by one degree over a million years, with no sign that it would start in 2012.

    While long discredited, Brasseur de Bourbourg proves one thing: Westerners have been trying for more than a century to pin doomsday scenarios on the Maya. And while fascinated by ancient lore, advocates seldom examine more recent experiences with apocalypse predictions.

    "No one who's writing in now seems to remember that the last time we thought the world was going to end, it didn't," says Martin, the astronomy webmaster. "There doesn't seem to be a lot of memory that things were fine the last time around."

    Personally I feel this is more mumbo jumbo like the whole computers and planes are going to crash during the Y2K thing.
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    PostSubject: Re: Is the world going to end in 2012 or is a a pop culture lure for fake doomsday dates   Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:22 am

    The world will go on until the sun burns out. grin
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    PostSubject: Re: Is the world going to end in 2012 or is a a pop culture lure for fake doomsday dates   Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:50 am

    Finally an article that actually speaks sense. Good find.
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    PostSubject: Re: Is the world going to end in 2012 or is a a pop culture lure for fake doomsday dates   Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:27 pm

    Quote:
    Author Lawrence Joseph says a peak in explosive storms on the surface of the sun could knock out North America's power grid for years, triggering food shortages, water scarcity — a collapse of civilization. Solar peaks occur about every 11 years, but Joseph says there's evidence the 2012 peak could be "a lulu."


    Electro Magnetic Pulse. One of these solar peaks did years ago melt telegraph wires.

    I believe it all man! I believe it all! I think Nasa knows too!

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    "No one who's writing in now seems to remember that the last time we thought the world was going to end, it didn't," says Martin, the astronomy webmaster. "There doesn't seem to be a lot of memory that things were fine the last time around."


    Yeah yeah yeah... Remember the story of the boy that cries wolf??? Well he got ate in the end!!!! Yeah!

    It's better this way though. Denial. Less time to panic.
    I'm gonna try to find Prince's Party Like It's 1999! and sing it 2012!
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    PostSubject: Re: Is the world going to end in 2012 or is a a pop culture lure for fake doomsday dates   Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:34 pm

    Every generation thinks the world is going to end during their lifetime. I personally don't believe it. Can't wait to see what happens when peoplestart to panic that day and realize the next day they were panicing for nothing Laughing
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    PostSubject: Re: Is the world going to end in 2012 or is a a pop culture lure for fake doomsday dates   Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:52 pm

    The world can't end in 2012 because I graduate from high school in 2013.
    In fact, I guarantee that an apocalypse will never occur in my entire lifetime. I won't allow it! Suspect
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    PostSubject: Re: Is the world going to end in 2012 or is a a pop culture lure for fake doomsday dates   Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:32 pm

    The only thing bad that could happen in 2012 that could have global implications an American presidential election.

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    PostSubject: Re: Is the world going to end in 2012 or is a a pop culture lure for fake doomsday dates   Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:40 pm

    I said this in random thoughts a few days ago... they are putting a Mc.Donalds in THE LOUVRE (if you dont know what the louvre is google it). that has to be a sign of the apocalypse.

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    PostSubject: Re: Is the world going to end in 2012 or is a a pop culture lure for fake doomsday dates   Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:28 pm

    I am with SweetVervain. I wont let the world end! It can't, can't, can't!!!!!!!!!!!! I want to graduate college first! If I am paying for it, I am getting something out of it!

    Plus all this world is ending stuff is a load of baloney. Really, you have to be quite idiotic to believe it!
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    PostSubject: Re: Is the world going to end in 2012 or is a a pop culture lure for fake doomsday dates   Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:46 pm

    I highly doubt the world will end in my great grand kids life time let alone mine.
    I think people should stop worrying about it and live their lives.

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    PostSubject: Re: Is the world going to end in 2012 or is a a pop culture lure for fake doomsday dates   Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:39 am

    This sounds absolutely ridiculous, but when she was little, my mom asked a Ouija board when the world will end, and it said sometime in 3000.
    So now I firmly believe that the apocalypse will occur around that time.
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    PostSubject: Re: Is the world going to end in 2012 or is a a pop culture lure for fake doomsday dates   Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:05 am

    lol. Because Quiji boards are so dependable. Much like Notridomous. tongue
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    PostSubject: Re: Is the world going to end in 2012 or is a a pop culture lure for fake doomsday dates   Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:53 am

    I can't think of any outside force more destructive than human power lust. I think any apocalypse that occurs will be self-wrought, i.e. people bombing the h3ll out of each other.

    Of course it doesn't have to be this way; we're all equally capable of positive and negative extremes. But some people give in to extreme greed.
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    PostSubject: Re: Is the world going to end in 2012 or is a a pop culture lure for fake doomsday dates   Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:19 pm

    We all know the world is going to end some time. But does that really mean the world we all live on? I really don't think the world is going to end in 2012. But what happens if all the people in the world attack each other? Well then either everyone will die because of it or there will be a few people that will survive and live on.

    The whole 2012 thing is supposed to be the renewal of a time cycle. Everything has it's own time. That doesn't mean everything has to suffer and die when a new beginning arrives. In a few thousdand years the sun is supposed to finish its life cycle and explode. I figure either humanity will have destroyed itself by then, we will have found technology to move to another planet or large substance in the solar system, or religion will take over and one of the religions prophecy of the apocalypse will come true.

    What it all boils down to is how are you personally living your life. If you are religious and follow your religion day to day then you should have no problem dying at any moment. If you aren't religious then you have to make sure you live your life day to day responsibly or enjoy your life while you have it. Yes we can make a big deal about this dooms day date like every other dooms day date in history. But really there is no proof that you will live that many days longer to even see it. Any of us can die at any moment. There is no point putting a time stamp on it because that just hinders our ability to enjoy life while it lasts.

    Each of our personal sand clocks are draining as we speak, sleep, drive, argue, laugh, and cry. Don't ruin those few moments that you are never promised by worrying about something that is inevitable anyway. dead
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    PostSubject: Re: Is the world going to end in 2012 or is a a pop culture lure for fake doomsday dates   Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:05 pm

    deadcoldgothgirl wrote:
    If you aren't religious then you have to make sure you live your life day to day responsibly or enjoy your life while you have it.


    This reminds me of something a bible thumper said on my online class (nothing against you DCGG), but her main point was that if the person isn't Christian then they have no ethics or morals and that is why the world is in such a terrible state. I'd just like to vent and say that she was a total religious bigot and wouldn't know ethics or morals if it bit her in the a$$. Just because someone doesn't have the same faith doesn't mean they have a lesser standard of ethics or morals. In fact, I usually find those that are non-Christian to be very open and accepting while at the same time, holding others to a higher standard than the current Christian view. [/end rant]
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    PostSubject: Re: Is the world going to end in 2012 or is a a pop culture lure for fake doomsday dates   Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:03 am

    deadcoldgothgirl wrote:

    Any of us can die at any moment. There is no point putting a time stamp on it because that just hinders our ability to enjoy life while it lasts.

    Each of our personal sand clocks are draining as we speak, sleep, drive, argue, laugh, and cry. Don't ruin those few moments that you are never promised by worrying about something that is inevitable anyway. dead


    nsanelilmunky wrote:

    Just because someone doesn't have the same faith doesn't mean they have a lesser standard of ethics or morals. In fact, I usually find those that are non-Christian to be very open and accepting while at the same time, holding others to a higher standard than the current Christian view. [/end rant]


    I agree with both. Very well put, DCGG and Nsane.
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